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Since I am pretty much a noob and have been doing a lot of research on here as well as other sites. I seem to come across anwers that seem to be conflicting to the same topic. Is the a definitve answer for any of these? And if some else has run across the same thing with other topics please feel free to add to the list. Thanks to all ahead of time for your input. 1. Speakers have a break-in period. 2. Your amp should provide twice the power than your speaker are rated to handle in order to best drive the speakers (provide overhead and prevent amp clipping). 3. Your speakers should be rated to handle significantly more power than your amp can provide in order to ensure the speaker does not create distortion. 4. A round speaker will provide better quality of sound versus an oval speaker (eg. 6.5 vs. a 6x9). 5. As you pay a higher price for your component sets or separates the sound quality will be infinitely greater as will the construction of the speaker (eg. $1,000+ >$600 > $300). 6. ??? |
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Actually, if you want to prevent amplifier clipping, you?d need a minimum of 10x the RMS power! Also, what about your head unit clipping at the outputs? Or your external processor? Or the pre-amp section of your amplifier? You need to look at the point where you are trying to prevent clipping. Now with that said, you can have all the power in the world, and you will still run into the negative aspects of power compression. Usually the more expensive speakers are made out of exotic materials that will contain: Kevlar, carbon fiber, some weird treated paper, an exotic basket material, rare earth magnets, etc. With that written, you also have some grossly overpriced component sets out there that are marked at nearly $1,000 a set and contain less than $200 of raw components. Is your mind blown yet? The audio plot thickens! |
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Like this one: Oval speakers will typically distort at higher power faster than the equivilent round version? So if my objective is to get clear sound at say 115dbs in my car for the rock music I listen to, which speaker design do I go with? Factory has 6.5's in the doors but can fit a 6x9....oh what to do? That never ending question on the quest for the unattainable match of concert level volumes of rock music in my car with the clarity of jazz music. |
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1. Speakers have a break-in period. TRUE...Specifically Subs! 2. Your amp should provide twice the power than your speaker are rated to handle in order to best drive the speakers (provide overhead and prevent amp clipping). FALSE ... Amp design takes presidence. Too many amp manufacturers exaggerate their specs. 3. Your speakers should be rated to handle significantly more power than your amp can provide in order to ensure the speaker does not create distortion. FALSE/TRUE ... more of a crossover issue! Some speakers crave for more power than their stated max. Ex: I have 300 watts feeding my Rainbow Reference Mid-bass from my Audison Trenta. 4. A round speaker will provide better quality of sound versus an oval speaker (eg. 6.5 vs. a 6x9). Don't know...I never tried a 6x9...but I remember my brothers car about 30 years had a 6x9. 5. As you pay a higher price for your component sets or separates the sound quality will be infinitely greater as will the construction of the speaker (eg. $1,000+ >$600 > $300). FALSE ... Marketing is a glorified lies. 6. ??? No idea! |
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Let me tell you what I discovered... 1. The speakers in the vehicle are not placed in equidistant positions from the listener. This is much easier to achieve in the home, and while time alignment will partially get you there in the car, that time alignment in and of itself causes other issues. 2. The environment is mobile and subject to a multitude of problems from that alone. How are you going to deal with the reflections from the glass and the hard surfaces? What about extraneous variables such as other vehicles, tire noise, road noise, rain, wind, etc.? All of that will impact your pristine sound no matter how much time, money, and effort you put into reducing the extraneous noise variables. 3. The power source is 12 volts DC and your amplifier power is limited to what your battery can store and what your alternator can supply. In other words, lots of luck maintaining 115 decibels average (which is pretty loud) off a single battery and a factory alternator. The bottom line is that car audio is a compromise, and you have to decide what deficiencies you are willing to accept prior to delving into it. If you don't, you could end up spending lots of money and time swapping gear, only to find that it was all a waste to begin with. My last warning to you is to beware of the power of marketing! You'd be amazed at what you will hear based on what you believe from a preconceived notion. |
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I think it's all in what we have become accustomed to whether it's more or less accurate reproduction. Kind of the reason Velodyne quit making their servo subs. Rep told me people didn't like them cause they were too accurate, didn't like the sound of an accurate sub as they were use to listening to distortion and became accustomed to it.. lol. So your statement makes perfect sense. |
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7 Hours Ago | ? #19 |
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Wow, what kind of setup do you have in the car that is able to keep that sounding good at high ear deafening volume levels? Cuz I know you are not just driving around listening to it at normal conversation levels or less. I have to imagine the CD sounds so much better than the YouTube clip (musically speaking). But yeah, that and Tool, and stuff like Black Label Society is what I want to be rockin'. When I listen to music like this I like to "feel" the music on me (kind of like being at the show) and not just the drums either. |
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